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introclaus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:32 amThis thread got me thinking ... where’s the line between “prog rock”, “progressive hard rock” and “neo-prog”?
Example: I’ve seen Knight Area and Enchant mentioned a few times in this thread. To me they are “progressive hard rock”.
I got you!introclaus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:14 pmYup - it’s a masterpiece within the genre!Chris R wrote:To me Blueprint is essential in the neoprog scene.
Hahaha, you sure didGaetanL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:45 pmintroclaus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:32 amThis thread got me thinking ... where’s the line between “prog rock”, “progressive hard rock” and “neo-prog”?
Example: I’ve seen Knight Area and Enchant mentioned a few times in this thread. To me they are “progressive hard rock”.I got you!introclaus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:14 pmYup - it’s a masterpiece within the genre!Chris R wrote:To me Blueprint is essential in the neoprog scene.
Right, but as a genre it (to me at least) refer to the new wave of British prog bands from the early 80's such as Marillion, Pendragon, IQ, Jadis, etc. that all took their musical inspiration from Genesis/Camel and gave it a more "modern" spin.
Interesting ... I'm not hearing the "Bon Scott" comparison (although it's a Aussie band *lol*), but Les Dougan does have a bit more of a rough voice than you'd typically except from the genre. Musically though they were 110% Marillion worship - right down to the silly facepaint that Fish used to sport on the album shows.LarryD wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:01 am....... but one band stands out to me that no one ever talks about anymore, if ever.... and that band is ARAGON.
That was such a cool band - it was like having Bon Scott singing in front of a Neo-Prog band, something I'd never heard before given the softer, more English style vocals of that era......that band was such an anomaly.
***I agree with everything you said except the part about that genre not existing ........"Blueprint..." is a splendid album, and there's a ton of Rothery-worship on it, but other than that it's more "metal" than what is normal within the neo-prog genre. I'd place it in the "progressive hard rock" genre (even if Larry doesn't agree there's a such haha).
Back in the day - I would describe "Blueprint" as prog rock ala Rush-lite.***I've read many articles over the years comparing Les Dougan to Bon Scott, but we all hear different things and I'm good with that ...... in the end, he had one of the more unique voices in the genre...... I've kept all of the Aragon discs -- probably because they were one of the most unique sounding bands even if they did worship Marillion, ( who didn't at the time ), but because they were so rare to begin with ...... yes I like the debut the best - but so weird they releases so many discs that were either shorter than most discs, or just plain EPs....... I got all of my Aragon discs from Ken, although Erik Welty gave me one or two ..... but at the time Ken and maybe one other vendor were selling Aragon discs - they just weren't that plentiful, or popular depending on how you look at it ...... during this time period was the best of the Neo-prog genre and when it thrived the most......Interesting ... I'm not hearing the "Bon Scott" comparison (although it's a Aussie band *lol*), but Les Dougan does have a bit more of a rough voice than you'd typically except from the genre. Musically though they were 110% Marillion worship - right down to the silly facepaint that Fish used to sport on the album shows.
I know you prefer the debut album from Aragon, but the only one I've kept is "Mouse" which I believe is their 3rd disc out of five or six albums.
Yes, there's definitely more "Rush styles prog rock" than "Marillion neo-prog" to the disc (aside from the clear Rothery guitar worship). The review that made me buy it said "Rush meets Metallica"LarryD wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:55 pm***I agree with everything you said except the part about that genre not existing ........"Blueprint..." is a splendid album, and there's a ton of Rothery-worship on it, but other than that it's more "metal" than what is normal within the neo-prog genre. I'd place it in the "progressive hard rock" genre (even if Larry doesn't agree there's a such haha).
I think the hard rock moniker here would describe the heaviness of the disc, not the style ..... but that's just me ......
Interesting ... I'm noticing that some of the songs have a different title than on the original album AND there's an extra 5 songs here that weren't on the original either.LarryD wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:34 pmSpeaking of Aragon - they are offering their 2-CD concept disc "MOUSE" for free .............check it out ...............
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum ... TID=120722
Gaetan - jump on this asap if it's still available for free ............
Now playing on bandcamp...LarryD wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:34 pmSpeaking of Aragon - they are offering their 2-CD concept disc "MOUSE" for free .............check it out ...............
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum ... TID=120722
Gaetan - jump on this asap if it's still available for free ............
****What did you think Gaetan ?? Mouse isn't my fav from them, even though tt's a concept disc ...... but it gives you an idea of what they sound like .......GaetanL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:43 pmNow playing on bandcamp...LarryD wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:34 pmSpeaking of Aragon - they are offering their 2-CD concept disc "MOUSE" for free .............check it out ...............
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum ... TID=120722
Gaetan - jump on this asap if it's still available for free ............
I will revisit but not now. My next neo-prog band on the radar is Clepsydra. They have a new one out called "The Gap"...LarryD wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:50 pm****What did you think Gaetan ?? Mouse isn't my fav from them, even though tt's a concept disc ...... but it gives you an idea of what they sound like .......GaetanL wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:43 pmNow playing on bandcamp...LarryD wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:34 pmSpeaking of Aragon - they are offering their 2-CD concept disc "MOUSE" for free .............check it out ...............
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum ... TID=120722
Gaetan - jump on this asap if it's still available for free ............
'I will revisit but not now. My next neo-prog band on the radar is Clepsydra. They have a new one out called "The Gap"...
*** Yes that is correct ...... check your private messages when you get a chance ..........To you the best Aragon album is the debut "Don't Bring The Rain", right?
I now heard all the albums from Clepsydra including the 2019 release "The Gap". The band is from Switzerland.LarryD wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:25 am'I will revisit but not now. My next neo-prog band on the radar is Clepsydra. They have a new one out called "The Gap"...
*** Very good Neo-Prog band from either Sweden or Switzerland, I forget ..... the singer had a pretty good accent, but I didn't care at the time ......
I got the 2 CD edition of "Mouse". It's actually 6 extra songs. In 1992, they released "The Meeting" EP which is actually Act 5 of "Mouse". There was pressure to release an album, so they released "The Meeting" before finishing writing the 8 Acts of "Mouse". In 1995, they released "Mouse" without Act 5 "The Meeting". In 1999, they released the 2 CD edition of "Mouse" which include Act 5 "The Meeting" (the 6 extra songs). Act 5 "The Meeting" is excellent and the best Act of "Mouse".introclaus wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:40 pmInteresting ... I'm noticing that some of the songs have a different title than on the original album AND there's an extra 5 songs here that weren't on the original either.LarryD wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:34 pmSpeaking of Aragon - they are offering their 2-CD concept disc "MOUSE" for free .............check it out ...............
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum ... TID=120722
Gaetan - jump on this asap if it's still available for free ............
***As confusing as this sounds, I follow ....... I had The Meeting when it first came out, and I agree it's the best part of Mouse. When Mouse came out, I got the versiob without The Meeting. So I'm backwards. I have the 1-CD version and The Meeting EP.I got the 2 CD edition of "Mouse". It's actually 6 extra songs. In 1992, they released "The Meeting" EP which is actually Act 5 of "Mouse". There was pressure to release an album, so they released "The Meeting" before finishing writing the 8 Acts of "Mouse". In 1995, they released "Mouse" without Act 5 "The Meeting". In 1999, they released the 2 CD edition of "Mouse" which include Act 5 "The Meeting" (the 6 extra songs). Act 5 "The Meeting" is excellent and the best Act of "Mouse".
They have another album after "Mr. Angel" named "The Angels Tear" released in 2004. It''s a return to their prog sound and it is better than "Mr. Angel" which was not really prog or very little.
My favorite albums are the second one "Children" (1995) and the last one "From The Silence" (2014). To me these 2 albums are between very good and excellent.
I heard all their albums. "Arkana" released in 1992 is a really good neo-prog album! So far I seem to not care much for all the other albums... In 2020, they released a new album after 20 years. They turned metal... Folkloric Progressive Power Metal if we could say...
