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When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby GaetanL » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:15 am

Threshold - Part Of The Chaos [Demo Version] With Glynn Morgan on vocals!
Japan Bonus Track of Livedelica:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18wKonSfVck

Scorpions - Holiday [Demo Version]: 3 minutes longer!
Bonus Track of Lovedrive 50th Anniversary Edition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUpjy5pwo1o

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby Kez » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:26 am

"Holiday" has been one of my old favorites for a long time. Thanks for posting this. I had no idea, as I haven't followed the band for years. Sure did love these few albums of this era, though.

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby Sir Exar Kun » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:39 am

All of Dream Theater's "Falling into Infinity" demos are better than the final versions..... Some of the songs are really quite different (You Not Me most notably). Plus, there were multiple demos recorded that didn't make the final cut, but were stronger than some of the songs that did (Raise the Knife???)
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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby Harvester » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:45 pm

Digital Ruin did a 4 song demo for Dwelling in the Out when they were shopping for a label. Those versions destroyed the final versions on the album.

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby LarryD » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:25 pm

Harvester wrote:Digital Ruin did a 4 song demo for Dwelling in the Out when they were shopping for a label. Those versions destroyed the final versions on the album.


*** Agree 100% -- and that's a BIG truth........

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby T'ski » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:08 pm

LarryD wrote:
Harvester wrote:Digital Ruin did a 4 song demo for Dwelling in the Out when they were shopping for a label. Those versions destroyed the final versions on the album.


*** Agree 100% -- and that's a BIG truth........


are these available anywhere? I'm guessing no.

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby LarryD » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:20 pm

T'ski wrote:
LarryD wrote:
Harvester wrote:Digital Ruin did a 4 song demo for Dwelling in the Out when they were shopping for a label. Those versions destroyed the final versions on the album.


*** Agree 100% -- and that's a BIG truth........


are these available anywhere? I'm guessing no.


*** I believe the band only produced 100 copies of them and passed them out ........ check around these parts for someone who can get a copy for you -- if you can't, email me and I'll dig my CDs out of the boxes and get one for you ......

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Postby introclaus » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:03 pm

Harvester wrote:Digital Ruin did a 4 song demo for Dwelling in the Out when they were shopping for a label. Those versions destroyed the final versions on the album.


Yup!!!

The demo versions that The Quiet Room did for their first album was also even better than the album versions.
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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby T'ski » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:57 pm

LarryD wrote:
T'ski wrote:
LarryD wrote:
*** Agree 100% -- and that's a BIG truth........


are these available anywhere? I'm guessing no.


*** I believe the band only produced 100 copies of them and passed them out ........ check around these parts for someone who can get a copy for you -- if you can't, email me and I'll dig my CDs out of the boxes and get one for you ......


that would be awesome Larry, thanks!

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby Kez » Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:33 pm

Sir Exar Kun wrote:All of Dream Theater's "Falling into Infinity" demos are better than the final versions..... Some of the songs are really quite different (You Not Me most notably). Plus, there were multiple demos recorded that didn't make the final cut, but were stronger than some of the songs that did (Raise the Knife???)


While I don't dislike FII like some do, I agree that the demos and unused songs from this era are worlds better than some tracks that made the final cut. My '99 Fan Club Christmas CD might get more spins than ANY DT studio release, save for I&W.

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby Random Axe » Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:50 pm

I think the Cloudscape debut is a good example. The demo versions of the tunes I heard were far better than what Roasting House produced IMO. They smoothed out some parts and eliminated the crunch factor. The opening tune As Light Leads the Way was sooooo badass prior to the album release and it was just neutered. I still love that album but it wasn't as good as it could have been based solely on production.

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Postby elendil » Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:04 pm

When I think about awesome demos from unsigned bands that didn't translate well to official album format, I think about an obscure gothic/dark metal band from Italy called Greyswan. They put out an excellent demo in 2001 or 2002 and then were signed and released an LP called _Thought-Tormented Minds_. It was a letdown, and the songs from the demo didn't sound as good either.

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby Packgrog » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:44 pm

Dali's Dilemma demos when they were still Chaos Theory were better than the final album, IMO. Especially the far shorter version of Living in Fear. I never was able to track those down again. :(

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby LarryD » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:12 pm

Packgrog wrote:Dali's Dilemma demos when they were still Chaos Theory were better than the final album, IMO. Especially the far shorter version of Living in Fear. I never was able to track those down again. :(



*** I have them on cassette believe it or not ........ that's how old they are ..... I'm not sure I agree but it's a fair comparison.

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby Mardoch » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:08 pm

I felt this way about most of the tracks on the Being album vs the EP from a few years ago. The EP versions weren't so fiddled with and fussed over, and they were better for it.

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Postby AllMediaReviews » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:09 pm

House of Fools - Need to Be Free, Until it's Over
Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons

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Postby keifling » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:31 am

Airged L'amh and Greyhaven come to mind.

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Re: When a demo version of a song is as good or better than the final version...

Postby Sir Exar Kun » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:51 am

Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons


100% agree. The bootleg live version I have from the I&W tour is so much better than the studio one.
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